User talk:AirshipJungleman29

Timurid Banner

Hi, the banner shown on the Timurid page is described as such by the source. If need be I can send scans of the book to show this HetmanTheResearcher (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi HetmanTheResearcher, the source describes banners with a variety of cut-outs, but always topped with a tugh and the Islamic crescent. The banner previously shown at Timurid Empire showed a singular, seemingly-randomly-chosen cut-out, without the tugh and the Islamic crescent. It is thus a pretty poor representation of a Timurid banner, seeing as the two things which most defined him as a ruler (his Mongol heritage and his Islamic religion) have been excluded.

There is also the question, to which I don't know the answer, of whether this banner was used only by Timur, in which case it is out of place on a Timurid Empire article, or by his successors too, in which case an argument can be made.~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. The source shows both a tugh and Islamic crescent, but being unaware of their importance in Mongol heraldry I didn't add them. I can add these in to better reflect the Mongol and Islamic aspects of the empire. The red banner shown is described as one of a variety used by Timur, I used it since that is what the accompanying illustration shows.

As for the scope the banner was used, I don't see this as a problem. Almost no banner or flag has been continually used by a country or state since their inception yet this does not prevent symbols from a specific time period being used. Even if the banner was only used during the time of Timur (I don't know either) it still forms an important part of Timurid heraldry that should be added onto the article. HetmanTheResearcher (talk) 17:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

It probably should be in the article HetmanTheResearcher, the question is whether it should be in the infobox. An infobox is meant to summarize the entirety of the topic; putting a banner possibly only used for much less than half of a historical state's existence is actively misleading. There have been similar discussions at Talk:Yuan dynasty and Talk:Mongol Empire. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

The infobox should reflect more what scholarly sources say about the topic. If studies of the Timurid Empire focus a majority of their effort on the time of Timur Khan rather than his successors then the banner in Timur's time period should be shown. However I'm not knowledgeable on Timurid historiography so I won't press the matter. Would adding the banner in the "Symbols of the state" subsection, with the changes discussed above, work? HetmanTheResearcher (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I think they would. Thanks for this productive discussion HetmanTheResearcher. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Same to you. HetmanTheResearcher (talk) 23:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Iron Maiden article

Hi! I have read your changes to the article and will try to leave descriptions of any changes I have made. Generally, I can agree with your way of argumentation regarding specifying artists who were inspired by Iron Maiden at some stage of their career. Over the years, I have literally read about thousands of cases of this type, among artists representing completely different subgenres of rock and metal. The rest is mentioned by the experts mentioned in the article. In view of all these opinions, the number of examples given seems trivial and completely inadequate to the actual situation. Another issue is what does the term "directly influenced" mean here? How can you determine with absolute certainty which artist is more or less inspired by Irons' work? Yet another matter is that in the case of describing the influence on artists posted on the websites of groups stylistically similar to Maiden, it was enough to specify a number of names, even without detailed links, or to assign to this group artists who in interviews declared their fascination with someone's work and influence. That's why I included examples of many artists representing various subgenres of music, including some of their statements. Is this incorrect? It looks as if slightly different verification standards were applied to Iron Maiden compared to similar artists. THX for your time and patience RALFFPL (talk) 18:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

RALFFPL you will find lots of referenes stating that Irpn Maiden's contribution to the genre is massive and incomparable. So cite those! There is no point in having sentences like "Bands A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, and N were influenced by Iron Maiden." There is no point. You should instead have sentences, cited to independent, third-party reliable souces, that all heavy metal bands were influenced by Iron Maiden. That removes the need for sentences like "Lady Gaga was influenced by Iron Maiden", when all that the source actually says is "I attended an Iron Maiden concert". I and others have previously warned you about ownership of content and similar disruptive editing; let's not have similar here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi. THX for your reflections. I must admit in the case of a band as Maiden there's no need to cite too many other bands influenced by them. Some of them (not necessarily only metal performers) we could notice as an example. Yes, we can easily find many sources bringing references to Iron Maiden's undisputable contribution to the genre. And there are still some subjects not described in the WIKI article: Maiden's lyrics and the literature and cinematographic inspirations. It's worth writing a little more about the visual aspects of the band's cover illustrations and the shows. Once again - thx for your advice! RALFFPL (talk) 08:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

If you can find high-quality reliable sources talking about lyrics and cinematography (i.e. not just random tabloid websites with names like metalcrypt.com), then sure. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)