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According to historian David Gaunt, a primary characteristic was the total targeting of the Assyrian population, including farming villages as well as rebelling mountain tribes. The killing in rural regions was more extensive, while some survived the massacres in cities; Gaunt states that this indicates that a primary aim was the confiscation of land. The property, villages and animals of the villagers were destroyed totally to prevent their return.[1] In most areas, the genocide occurred between June and October 1915.[2]
^Gaunt 2015, p. 85. sfn error: no target: CITEREFGaunt2015 (help)
^Cetin, Önder (2021). "Revisiting the Prospect of Revision in Turkish Secondary School History Textbooks: the Case of the Assyrian Debate". British Journal of Educational Studies: 1–20. doi:10.1080/00071005.2021.1990851.
^Mutlu-Numansen, Sofia; Ossewaarde, Marinus (2019). "A Struggle for Genocide Recognition: How the Aramean, Assyrian, and Chaldean Diasporas Link Past and Present". Holocaust and Genocide Studies. 33 (3): 412–428. doi:10.1093/hgs/dcz045.
^Mutlu-Numansen, Sofia; Ossewaarde, Ringo (2015). "Heroines of gendercide: The religious sensemaking of rape and abduction in Aramean, Assyrian and Chaldean migrant communities". European Journal of Women's Studies. 22 (4): 428–442. doi:10.1177/1350506815605646.
Most sources would agree there is a general lack of documents & evidence when it comes to estimating the death toll, although it's possible that Assyrian leaders at the Paris Peace Conference could have had more documents that have not survived. Also, they had an incentive for exaggerating it. This is why the credible sources I'm aware of either accept this claim at face value or point out that it could be an overestimate. For the additional numbers added to the article, what is the evidence basis behind them? 750,000 is particularly incredible given that it would be roughly equal to the number of Armenian deaths despite the lower Assyrian/Syriac population before the war in the areas targeted for genocide. (t · c) buidhe 14:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel it would be good to present that information alongside the other numbers with appropriate sourcing, personally. Pietrus1 (talk) 17:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which information? What "appropriate sourcing"? (t · c) buidhe 17:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean presenting this information alongside all instances of dubious casualty claims. For example, in the lead we have: "At the 1919 Paris Peace Conference, the Assyro-Chaldean delegation said that its losses were 250,000, about half the prewar population. The accuracy of this figure is unknown. They later revised their estimate to 275,000 dead at the Lausanne Conference in 1923". In my view, this should be revised with a link down to the Historiography section, which includes sources on the nature of these claims. People often get very attached to these figures in events like this (one way or another), so in my opinion, such claims of X casualties should not be presented without reference to sources casting doubt on the figures unless sources are not credible. "Appropriate sourcing" refers to those sort of sources. Pietrus1 (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I attempted to do by mentioning that the accuracy of the figures is not known. What kind of revision are you looking for? I think it could be misleading to say that "historian David Gaunt writes that the delegation had an incentive to exaggerate and the accuracy of the figure is unknown" beccause it's not just Gaunt's opinion, no one else knows either. (t · c) buidhe 20:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I misunderstood your original comment a bit. My point is just that I would generally like to see all estimates presented with due weight. I specifically dislike the lead, especially given that such figures are disputed. Something generally in line with: "casualty estimation has proven fraught (see #section)" would seem preferable. Pietrus1 (talk) 20:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be fine with mentioning alternative estimates that are widely mentioned in sources, but these don't exist. The vast majority of sources only cite the delegation estimates because that's all there is, although these figures are doubtful and impossible to confirm. (t · c) buidhe 20:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good to know in case I ever run across a different estimate. What do you think about revising the lead? Pietrus1 (talk) 21:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is there no info box on this otherwise excellent article? It seems to be the convention that articles regarding discrete persecution-related events include info boxes, why does this article not have one? Can one be introduced? Pietrus1 (talk) 17:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Infoboxes can be helpful, but in this case I don't think they are. Most of the fields are disputed, unknown, or lose important nuance when squeezed into an infobox. The prose in the lead does a better job of informing the reader where it took place and the lack of reliable information on deaths. (t · c) buidhe 17:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense. My disagreement regards the extent to which people look to wikipedia's info boxes for this sort of information and search engines scrape that information. Would it not be better to create an info box with most of the relevant boxes left as "See x" in the interest of the popular dissemination of this information? For example, the Holocaust article (which you seem to be active in?) cites the number of victims as "around 6 million Jews". I would like to present the information here even more vaguely than that. Pietrus1 (talk) 17:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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