Talk:Eldridge Street Synagogue

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If anyone has a picture of the building, I think one inside and one outside picture would be appropriate, however I can't find any public domain pictures on the net, so if anyone has any pics they've taken that would be very useful. --Bachrach44 15:16, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Photo's of Synagogue[edit]

I'm pretty sure that The Eldridge Street Synagogue will be happy to include more photo's on the site.--Mare 21:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

lede[edit]

Eldridge street isn't exactly among the oldest East European synagoguues built by Ashkenazi Jews. Beth Israel Philadelphia built its Crown Street building in 1849 (philadelphia already had seen buildings erected by German and Sepahardi congregations. San francisco was founded with two 1851 congregations, Emaneul for Germans as Sherityh Israel for Poles. Sherith Israel put a building up in 1854. Baltimore's B'nai Israel on Lloyd Street went up - for East European Jews - in 1876. I'm pretty sure there were other East European buildings. As for surviving buildings, B'nai Israel's building is still there.OldShul (talk) 13:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)OldShul[reply]

Agreed. I deleted the sentence "The Eldridge Street Synagogue is the first synagogue erected in the United States by Eastern European Jews." as this is almost certainly not correct. Oncenawhile (talk) 11:25, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Referenced. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:02, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Source for Walter Sedovic Architects involvement.[edit]

There's been some edit warring here over the involvement of an architecture firm, with nobody doing their homework. Here's a reliable source: Spence, Rebecca (August 3, 2007). "Synagogues Throw Energy Behind Green Movement". The Forward.: "In New York City, the Eldridge Street Project, dedicated to preserving Jewish life at the historic Lower East Side synagogue built in 1887, has been working on its 20-year restoration project from a green perspective. ... Jill Gotthelf, an architect and associate at Walter Sedovic Architects who has worked on the restoration since 1990, said that synagogues and Jewish organizations have caught on to green building over the past few years ... because it is finally a more affordable proposition. --John Nagle (talk) 16:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Further Verification of Walter Sedovic Architect's Involvement[edit]

New York Magazine... Reconstructionist Judaism Two Jewish cultural centers reinvent themselves for the demographics of a changing city.

By Justin Davidson.

Published Jan 7, 2008

The architects, Walter Sedovic and Jill H. Gotthelf, avoided scrubbing away its patina of experience. They didn’t strip the mottled gloss off the wood and start again; they softened and reflowed the old finish, retaining the magnificent antiquity of the paneling. It’s no more authentic to roll time back to 1907 than it would be to choose a day twenty years before, but Sedovic and Gotthelf’s approach has the great virtue of enshrining a narrative, of intimating what it might have felt like to seek a little grandeur here when the Lower East Side was a wriggling mass of people.

http://nymag.com/arts/architecture/reviews/42591/

Littlefacts (talk) 17:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Eldridge Street Synagogue

Eldridge Street Synagogue is a synagogue and National Historic Landmark in the neighborhood of Chinatown in Manhattan, New York City. Built in 1887, it was one of the first synagogues erected in the United States by Eastern European Jews. The Moorish Revival building has a 70-foot-high (21 m) dome, a barrel-vaulted ceiling, and stained-glass rose windows.

Photograph credit: Rhododendrites

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New detail map of Lower East Side[edit]

I'd like to thank Epicgenius for recent edits that improve the article. I'm intrigued by the detail map of the section of lower Manhattan that includes the site of the synagogue. Is this map in Serbian? Is there a particular reason to display it in that language? Paulmlieberman (talk) 17:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Paulmlieberman, thank you, I appreciate it.
Re. the map: it is indeed displaying in Serbian due to an OpenStreetMap bug. There is more information about this bug at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Serbian place names displayed on Manhattan maps, phab:T230013, and phab:T195318. I have no idea how to fix the bug over at OSM, but hopefully this gets resolved soon. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Epicgenius, I'm looking into this. The link in the synagogue article is, as far as I can tell (I've removed the opening and closing curly braces so WP doesn't try to process it):
district_map = Maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|frame-align=center|frame-width=300|frame-height=300|zoom=14|type=point|marker=|title=Eldridge Street Synagogue
What is this a link to? I suspect it's a link to a file in wikimedia, but, if so, how do I find it? And, if I can find the corresponding map on OpenStreetMap, edit it, fix it, I don't know how to then replace the current street map in wikimedia, or create a new one, and change the link in the Eldridge Street Synagogue article. Paulmlieberman (talk) 15:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Paulmlieberman, that is correct; this is the wikicode that allows the map to be displayed. The data is taken from OpenStreetMap, where (funnily enough), the English names for Manhattan neighborhoods are correctly displayed. This is then processed through Wikimedia Maps. However, the Wikimedia Maps website also displays Manhattan neighborhood names in English.
Somehow, when the map from Wikimedia Maps was transcluded onto this article, the names got translated into Serbian. This is particularly strange, as this issue only occurs when the map is transcluded directly onto articles; the original maps from OSM and Wikimedia Maps don't have this issue. I have no idea why this is happening, because the two original maps both display the English names. I tried a hard purge of this page to force the map to display the English names, but this seems not to work. For now, I'd suggest that you subscribe to, and comment on, the Phabricator tickets that I linked above. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Village Pump conversation archived at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 212#Serbian place names displayed on Manhattan maps. TSventon (talk) 13:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

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Epicgenius (talk) 14:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Approved: article is long enough, looks to be in great shape and was expanded within the window. Hooks are sourced, interesting and check out: I must admit to finding ALT2 a little opaque (how could they find objects in a locked safe?), but ALT0, ALT1 and ALT3 are all excellent (ALT4 is fine, but a little less enticing than the others). QPQ is done. Nice work. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 01:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 04:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will also do a review of this soon.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is rather extensive so the review will be slow as I look over. I'm curious to note that for this article, you have the history part before the architecture. Not an issue, just noting.--ZKang123 (talk) 08:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copy changes[edit]

Lead[edit]

  • Is it conventional to just write "U.S." in the lead without first mentioning what U.S. stands for (it's obvious, but curious whether actually there's a need to spell out).
  • In fact, I wonder if it's necessary to put "New York, U.S.", given in some of your other building articles, that's not written in.
  • Beth Hamedrash, with congregants – I don't think the comma is necessary.
  • dwindled significantly starting in the 1920s – can remove "starting"
  • with Gothic Revival and Romanesque Revival elements spread throughout. – spread throughout what?
  • The lower level was originally a study hall and has been converted to galleries. – suggest reword to originally a study hall which has been..

Early history[edit]

  • paid $19,000 – please insert current inflated value. Similar for other currencies.
  • served two years – served for two years
  • creating shadows and pollution – the wording of this clause is a bit odd. I would say causing pollution and something else about "shadows" (not sure what shadows exactly mean in this context. Like, blocking sunlight?)
  • (although it would not receive any compensation until 1899) – I don't think you need the brackets here.
  • 12 through 16 Eldridge Street – I wonder if an en-dash (12–16) would suffice
  • Kahal Adath Jeshurun first bought numbers 14 and 16 from Holkhe Yosher, paying a total of $23,000. They then bought the lot at 12 Eldridge Street at a cost of $12,850. – I suggest combining these sentences to: Kahal Adath Jeshurun first bought numbers 14 and 16 from Holkhe Yosher for $23,000 before purchasing the lot at 12 Eldrige Street for $12,850. As said previously, also add inflated values
  • decided to hire – I would just say "hired", unless there are reasons for his decision to employ the two brothers
  • The Herter brothers drew up plans for a synagogue at 12–16 Eldridge Street, between Canal and Division streets, in June 1886. – would move "In June 1886" at the front of the sentence. Actually would drop the year given the beginning of the paragraph stated the year and since no other year is mentioned, I think omitting would be fine.
  • as being frequently overcrowded – something about this phrase is a bit awkward
  • not directly associated with or connected – "associated with" and "connected" to me are similar in meaning; either remove or well, perhaps say "structurally connected" if you want to keep both, if I get the meaning of the latter.

Congregational use[edit]

  • take shelter there – "there" is unnecessary
  • was organized at the synagogue – do you mean "was established"?
  • every two years – biannually
  • Jews in New York City, including three of the congregation's first four presidents,[71] were increasingly living elsewhere in the city during the 1900s and 1910s, as public transit made these neighborhoods easier to access. – a rather oddly worded sentence. Does this mean like more of the congregants came from more outer parts of the city?
  • a second branch uptown, to accommodate members who could not travel downtown on Shabbat (the Jewish Sabbath), in 1903 and 1907. – remove commas.
  • Similarly for ...in 1913, when a new set of rules was adopted
  • for about a year after it opened. – maybe for its first year of operations? Or ...since its opening
  • Salary values to add inflated values
  • During Minkowsky's tenure at Kahal Adath Jeshurun, both religious and secular journalists lauded his work. – Both religious and secular journalists lauded Minkowsky's work during his tenure at Kahal Adath Jeshurun
  • over a bonus that the congregation did not have enough money to pay him – over a bonus which the congregate could not afford.
  • a far smaller rate – a much lower rate
  • which, among other activities, helped arrange events and prepare meals – which helped arrange events and prepare meals among other activities
  • police were stationed in the street to control the crowds. – in the street for crowd control
  • buy the rights to a seat permanently – buy permanent rights to a seat
  • Pews were cheaper the further back they were – Pews further back were cheaper
  • many of the congregants – remove "of the"
  • who were determined to not have – who were determined not to have...
  • This still failed – would add a contrasting connector "However" at the beginning of this sentence
  • as wealthy members – as the wealthy members
  • in the hope of limiting the number of congregants who left. – , hoping to reduce the number of congregants leaving
  • The congregation was regularly sending letters to former members, asking them to donate. – ...was regularly sending letters to former members for donations.
  • as having shrunk – to have shrunk
  • stopped coming for even – ...even for
  • damaged by the rain, and there were also holes in the balcony. – damaged by the rain with holes in the balcony


More to come.--ZKang123 (talk) 08:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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